Episode 49

049 | Taking Sustainability from Niche to Scale: Working with Bars and Distributors as an Ecosystem | Part 2/2 with Stephanie Jordan, Co-Founder of B Corp Avallen Spirits (Amsterdam, NL)

In Episode 049 I continued the conversation with Stephanie Jordan from Episode 048.

She is the Co-Founder of B-Corp Avallen Calvados. She brings fantastic insights as he runs her Sales & Marketing Consultancy, Drinking Out Loud.

Before that, she ran Sales & Global Advocacy for la Hechicera Rum and was the Global Brand Ambassador for Tanqueray Gin after starting her career in drinks on the Global Diageo graduate scheme. I hope you will enjoy our chat.


Time Stamps

0:00 Intro

0:14 Sustainable Packaging

9:36 Selecting Sustainable Outlets?

13:18 Role Of An Importer

16:10 Ensuring Wholesaler Rotation

20:00 Big Fish Small Pond, Small Fish Big Pond?

23:19 Biggest Professional Change Becoming A Founder?

31:38 Wrap-Up

33:12 Outro


About The Host: Chris Maffeo

About The Guest: Stephanie Jordan

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Chris Maffeo

With 20 years of experience working for some of the biggest drinks brands across 30+ markets, I've developed a unique understanding of how brands grow in today's market.
Now, I help drinks brands build sustainable growth through bottom-up demand creation.
My methodology focuses on how brand demand spreads - from initial venue adoption to international expansion.
I teach brands how to create, convert, and sustain demand across the three critical stages of growth: from one bottle to one case to one pallet.
My expertise lies in understanding how brands grow through genuine advocacy, from bar to bar, city to city, and building foundations that enable natural scaling.
Through consulting, training, and speaking engagements, I help brands:
• Build sustainable demand from the ground up
• Systematize their approach to building brands city by city
• Navigate the path from local success to international growth
• Develop strategies based on occasions rather than demographics